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‘Game of Thrones’ Creators Plan to Be ‘Very Drunk and Far From the Internet’ When Series Finale Airs

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“We’ll be in an undisclosed location, turning off our phones and opening various bottles,” Weiss said. “At some point, if and when it’s safe to come out again, somebody like [HBO’s ‘Thrones’ publicist Mara Mikialian] will give us a breakdown of what was out there without us having to actually experience it.”

Added Benioff, “I plan to be very drunk and very far from the internet.”

Not sure what to make of that.

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Welp…

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Episode 3 was an absolute shitfest.  I'm surprised so many of you loved it.  

Since the very first episode they have been setting up the wights and Walkers to be a major player and the main threat to the world.  For 7 seasons it's been the threat of the White Walkers and the Long Night.  They've been setting Jon and Danny up to be the ones who stop the Walkers.  Jon was resurrected, possibly because he's the Prince Who was Promised and the one to save the world.

In one episode, they Walkers are dead.  They only made it as far south as Winterfell.  No character of real consequence died.  Arya killed the Night King in the stupidest way.  Someone mentioned it's like having Chewbacca kill Darth Vader, and it's a great comparison.  How the hell did Arya even get to the Night King with all those White Walkers around?  It was shoehorned in and not earned after 70 episodes.

So many shots of characters being in trouble and cutting away... then coming back to them still being alive.  Jon surrounded by wights and it cuts away.  Then two minutes later he's fine, yelling at a dragon.  The same fucking dragon that knocked down the wall couldn't knock down a rock Jon was hiding behind.  

Sam is absolutely worthless and gets people killed, he's covered in the dead and somehow survives.  

WTF did Brann do the whole time?  Was he watching End Game?

Theon was going to die, but it was the dumbest way possible.  

The slow walk the Night King did, slow motion to kill Brann.  Come on.  Get on with it.

The stupid battle strategy in defending Winterfell.  It was all to create tension, but it's so unlike this series to be so dumb.

Episode 4 was even worse.  The writing is shit, and this final season is turning into a huge boner killer.  Talk about a let down.  Now that the show passed the books they are struggling to carry dialogue and characters.  

Jamie banging Brienne only to leave.  Jon just leaving Ghost behind. (which they said was because of CGI costs).  The dragon being killed by a huge arrow a mile away.  Cercei hiring an assassin to kill Tyrion, then not killing him and the 15 people Danny had with her at the gates when she could have ended the war.  What.  The.  Fuck.  

It's a different series now, at least we have the books.  I'm convinced GRRM is holding onto his books until the show ends.

 

 

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Its full on Mad Queen now.  We all saw it coming and it really cemented itself with Jon rejecting her.  Again, Jon being an idiot.  All you had to to was take the hot girl that was throwing herself at you and all would be cool.

I initially thought she was going after the red keep.  But no, she just torched everything and it was a free for all.

I expect Arya to kill Danny.  Seems like they are setting that up.

Wondering how the whole Bronn/Tyrion thing ends up.  Thinking Bronn isn't getting his castle and will die.

Edit ... changed text color in the spoiler tag.  Las - can we get it to default to black?

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Most ppl guess hound v mountain. I didn't expect they'd both buy it though. I thought Hound deserved a better end. Pretty sure the Mountain played Darth Vader in RotJ.

Didn't see Cersei and Jaime dying that way. I thought they'd give us the pleasure seeing her die a much more deserved death, than quickly, in her brothers arms, under a pile of rubble.

I still don't think Arya is going to kill Danni. I think it'll be Jon. And i'm still up for the Jon=Night-King surprise ending.

Very very very disappointed in how they've written the Tyrion Character for this episode. Giving up Varys was so wrong on so many levels. It was like he'd been written by someone who has never seen the show. As a character, with so much history with Varys, he would never have given him up like that.

All in all though, i really enjoyed the episode. At least something happened.

 

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Very very very disappointed in how they've written the Tyrion Character for this episode. Giving up Varys was so wrong on so many levels. It was like he'd been written by someone who has never seen the show. As a character, with so much history with Varys, he would never have given him up like that.

 

I hear ya.  He so easily gave up his best friend but let his brother go, knowing he will be fried for it.  Not only that, I'll take it a step further.  He's sucked for awhile.  His defining trait ... his intellect ... has been awful for awhile now.  He's been wrong about every strategic decision he's made.

 

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I have one more prediction.

Jon is a Targaryan and next in line. I reckon, when tested, Drogon recognises this and changes allegiances away from Dani to him. This may even be how she dies, by the fire of her own child... Man that would be a fitting end: Jons last word in the show.... "Dracarys". 

Even if that isn't true, it fucking should be.

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Fucking called it! Suck on my precognitive dick ya'll!

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2 hours ago, Pasanda said:

I have one more prediction.

Jon is a Targaryan and next in line. I reckon, when tested, Drogon recognises this and changes allegiances away from Dani to him. This may even be how she dies, by the fire of her own child... Man that would be a fitting end: Jons last word in the show.... "Dracarys". 

Even if that isn't true, it fucking should be.

She can't die in with fire, right?  She's survived a ton of fires without a scratch.  That would be cool though

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17 hours ago, Dunnar said:

She can't die in with fire, right?  She's survived a ton of fires without a scratch.  That would be cool though

Damn you and your application of perfect reason and logic.

 

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I was hoping as Cersei went downstairs in the keep that she passed a dungeon with a still chained up Ellaria Sand with decomposed body directly across.

Or as she passed another dungeon, she muttered the words shame to one of the figures jailed up.

Just to show how bad ass she was.

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There are about a thousand things I could bitch about, but I don't care anymore.  I still watch only to go REALLY?

I don't mind the main plot points for the most part, just how they get there.  The production value is top notch though.  Scenery, music, acting, and cinematography is all so good.  But the writing just so bad.  

I liked this though:

https://vredd.it/files/uopaqbtqh0y21-uopaqbtqh0y21.mp4

Kind of a knights tale vibe.  I love me some ACDC.

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Looks like there was some kind of contract to not say anything about how bad it was.

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Well...that's over.  I see it as a book preview, it should be vastly different.  Here is a bit of fan fiction that helped give me some closure. 

 

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After the Wheel

In the long years of his reign, King Brandon Stark was not loved by the smallfolk nearly so much as the quietude of his rule. Bran himself was a distant and near-silent king, with no taste for great celebrations or inspiring rhetoric. But when the Driftwood Queen demanded the independence of the Iron Islands in 313 AC, Bran granted it almost immediately; the expanded fleet that the Greyjoys had long laboured over had hardly left its harbours before the raven returned from King’s Landing. Dorne’s autonomy grew not with violence, but with carefully negotiated partnership, and though now Ornelia Martell is styled the Princess of Dorne, the Maesters of Oldtown would say that the lands beyond the Red Mountains are more closely entwined – through trade and goodwill – with the Five Kingdoms than ever before. It is said that, though the Seven Kingdoms became Six through the sacrifice of a million lives, the Six became Five without a single drop of spilt blood.

These years of calm saw the turn of seven long summers and seven mild winters. The external threats to Bran’s reign – the Braavosi blockade of 309, sponsored by the Iron Bank and facilitated by many mercenaries; the Second Crossing of the Dothraki Khalasar in 318; the Septons’ Rising of 331 or the coming of the Red Refugees in the decade afterward – seemed less desperate in comparison to the crises endured by King’s Landing in the warlike years before, as if an invisible hand were directing events, by slight nudges, toward the ends of stability and prosperity. Though terrible battles were rumoured in many parts of Essos, their effects were seldom felt in Westeros. One might also have expected some friction to arise from the King’s worship of the Old Gods, but Bran’s habits were so private, and his style of rule so tolerant, that for a time it seemed impossible that internal strife and religious discord could ever have been the hallmark of the Six – and then the Five – Kingdoms.

The absence of vengeful dragons surely helped. There are folk in Volantis who, in exchange for a cup of sweet wine, will tell the tale of their fathers or grandfathers catching sight of a great winged creature that obscured the waning moon in its eastbound flight, high above the city. Some of the Ghiscari traders who can now be so frequently found in Planky Town or Storm's End tell a similar story: that in the cold night after the death of the Dragon Queen, her last child, screaming with anguish, caused many a night-time watcher to return to their decks in great haste. Daenerys was carried far into the east, perhaps as far as the Shadowlands or the unknown forests of Ulthos. What became of her remains is not known. Some say the creature flew until fatigue brought it plummeting into deep, uncharted waters. Others suggest that reports of dragons - fleeting glimpses, disappearing livestock, bone-chilling cries in the lonely places of the world - are not always the product of fancy or hysteria.

Bran outlived every member of his original Small Council, and outlasted – as far as can be known for certain – every other Stark. Of his sister Arya, the Hero of Winterfell, little was ever heard again: she sailed West, beyond the reckoning and knowledge of all, within days of her brother’s coronation, leaving only the rumours that are shared and rendered into stories in every town of Westeros and Essos: of a single, ragged-looking Raven that flew out of a storm over the Western Sea decades later and on to the last high tower of the Red Keep, bearing a message whose contents were seen only by the King and his closest advisors. The tale that is most often told is that Arya reached the land that is West of West, and shared what details she could of the wonders and terrors she found there before meeting her own mysterious fate. What is certainly true is that, slowly and deliberately, Bran has been fortifying the Western coast of the Five Kingdoms throughout the latter part of his reign.

Sansa Stark, the Queen in the North, maintained strong relations with her brother’s kingdom and toward the end of her life was frequently to be found in the courts of King’s Landing or Dorne, having inherited from her mother a preference for the warmth. After her passing in 371 her bannermen selected Harrold Royce to rule the North.

Of the fate of Jon Snow – the Bastard of Winterfell, the Half-Stark, the Queenslayer, the Resurrected, the Friend of Wolves, twice named Lord Commander of Castle Black – very little is known. The Hand of the King, Tyrion Lannister, visited the North and the Wall in the first decade after Snow's return to the Night’s Watch. Of that visit he records that the Wall was all but unmanned, and that those who stood upon it were facing south, rather than north. The Hand was told that Jon Snow had, years earlier, gone forth with a great company of wildlings and northerners, disappearing into the dark forests of the Lands of Always Winter. Their exploration of those unmapped places are the subject of much conjecture: that Snow had been named the King Beyond the Wall, that he had made contact with the last enclaves of the Children of the Forest, that he was overseeing the settling of great underground cities among the twisting, interconnected roots of the Weirwood trees. It is said that the Greyjoys know something of those northernmost lands, and that Sansa Stark, before her death, knew more, but would not tell. The Lonely King, Bran the Broken, Bran the Bridgemaker, Bran the Wheelbreaker, surely knew more still – but in his quiet places and sanctuaries around King’s Landing, he seldom spoke a word, and to each successive Hand and Archmaester he entrusted fewer of his thoughts.

Finally, in 382 AC, at the start of his eighth winter, King Brandon embarked upon a final journey. He had aged but slowly in all the years of his reign, but age had come upon him nevertheless. His Kingsguard escorted him on the first leg of his journey – a secretive consultation followed by long weeks of contemplation or reading in Oldtown – and then took him as far as the Wall when at last he travelled North. After a night in the almost uninhabited Castle Black, Bran ordered the Kingsguard to return to Winterfell, and so on to the Five Kingdoms, where they were to supervise the selection of a new King of Westeros.

The last of the Starks then travelled North, beyond the wall, quite alone. The Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch reported that distant figures joined the King’s horse just before it disappeared into the treeline. No sight or word of King Bran has been heard in the long years since.

The winters are deeper now, and though King’s Landing is again fair and no great wars have troubled Westeros for many decades, some of the world’s wonder has diminished since the end of the time of Bran the Wheelbreaker.

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And here is GRRM's take.  He is a busy guy.

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And I’m writing.   Winter is coming, I told you, long ago… and so it is.   THE WINDS OF WINTER is very late, I know, I know, but it will be done.  I won’t say when, I’ve tried that before, only to burn you all and jinx myself… but I will finish it, and then will come A DREAM OF SPRING.

How will it all end? I hear people asking.   The same ending as the show?  Different?

Well… yes.  And no.  And yes.   And no.   And yes.   And no.   And yes.

I am working in a very different medium than David and Dan, never forget.   They had six hours for this final season.   I expect these last two books of mine will fill 3000 manuscript pages between them before I’m done… and if more pages and chapters and scenes are needed, I’ll add them.   And of course the butterfly effect will be at work as well; those of you who follow this Not A Blog will know that I’ve been talking about that since season one.   There are characters who never made it onto the screen at all, and others who died in the show but still live in the books… so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet.   And yes, there will be unicorns… of a sort…

Book or show, which will be the “real” ending?   It’s a silly question.   How many children did Scarlett O’Hara have?

How about this?  I’ll write it.   You read it.  Then everyone can make up their own mind, and argue about it on the internet.

 

The fact that the show is so vastly different from the books allows me to separate them.  I think I was so hard on the show because I was comparing it to the books, and that kind of thing almost never helps.  So I can still look forward to the books, and I am going to start a reread of them.  The show made me forget how awesome books are.

For those people who are still reading the books (SPOILERS) a refresher of where they are.

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As someone who has read the books (like countless others here) all is not lost. We can treat the last couple of years of the shows as something to consider. Something to help us paint the images we see as we continue reading the series. The new books will be released and we can carry on from where we left off as if almost nothing else happened.

  • Jon Snow was just stabbed to death by Bowen Marsh and crew
  • Aegon Targaryen (fAegon, not Jon) is found to be alive in the free cities and is reunited with Tyron who convinces him to invade Westeros NOW. During the invasion, Tyrion is captured by Jorah and taken to Dany (although Tyrion has yet to meet Dany at this point). Aegon conquers 4 cities in the Stormlands with the Golden Company bu his side
  • Arya continues her training by the Faceless
  • Dany has married a Mereen noble but is still banging Daario. Quentyn Martell had gone to Mereen to marry Dany as well but he dies trying to ride a dragon. The dragons escape. Kill a lot of people. Dany rides Drogon out of town but gets sick and stranded which is how we leave her -a captive of the Dothraki hoard again
  • Rheagal and Viserion have escaped and are camped atop the pyramids of Mereen. Barristan Selmy is preparing for a defense of the city against the Yunkai in Dany's absence
  • Victarion Greyjoy has just made it to Mereen to win the hand of Dany, marry her, and then use her dragons to use them to take the Iron Isles back from his brother Euron. Victarion has Moqorro on his side and a Dragonbinder horn
  • Stannis' army is camped outside of Winterfell but they are snowbound
  • The Boltons occupy Winterfell, but are being undermined by a group of Northern lords led by Wyman Manderly. Manderly has publicly announced the death of Davos, but secretly sent him to Skagos to find Rickon Stark. Ramsay claims to have defeated Stannis in the field, but that may have been a ploy to intimidate Jon
  • Theon has escaped Winterfell (without Sansa since she was never in Winterfell to begin with. See below). Is reunited with his sister ASHA
  • In Dorne, the Sand Snakes are still alive as are Myrcella and her betrothed Prince Trystane. The Snakes are plotting to infiltrate King's Landing and somehow avenge Oberyn's death (The Mountain is "dead" thanks to Oberyn, but see Robert Strong lone below). Myrcella was injured by the Darkstar (Ser Gerold Dayne), who disappeared, and Ser Areys Oakheart, her Kingsguard and protector was killed. This happened during a foiled attempt to crown Myrcella as queen of the seven kingdoms according to Dornish law. A couple of the Snakes are headed to KL to eliminate any and all of Tywin's progeny
  • Lady Stoneheart (catelyn) is still alive and with the Brothers Without Banners. She seeks revenge on those who perpetrated the Red Wedding.
  • Brienne of Tarth has suffered a grievous facial wound from the teeth of Biter on her pursuit of Sansa before getting captured along with her squire Podrik by the Brotherhood Without Banners. Lady Stoneheart begins to hang the two for having Lannister weapons and refusing to kill Jaime Lannister. Their hanging is interrupted when Brienne mutters a word ("Sword")
  • Jaime has forced a surrender at Riverrun of remaining Northern troops. The Blackfish (Tully) escapes. Jaime has also learned that Cersei has been banging her cousin Lancel and at least for the time being says, "peace out," to Cersei
  • Cersei is forced on the long walk of repentance in KL ("shame, shame,..."). Kevan Lannister and Master Pyrcelle are trying to undo the damage she has caused, but Varys and his little birds do both of them in. He is trying to destroy the Lannisters so that the stage is set for Aegon's return. Cersei is now free and supporting Tommen
  • Our friend, Tommen, is the King
  • Sansa doesn't appear in the last published book. She escaped KL safely with Littlefinger. Last we heard from her she was holed up with Petyr in the Vale hiding under the name Alayne. Robert, the sickly lord of the Vale still rules. Petyr remains the puppet master and is pretty sure Robert will die soon and he can marry Sansa to the heir of the Vale, Harold Haryng, thus uniting Winterfell and the Vale.
  • In Oldtown, Samwell learns from the masters that there is a way to conquer magic. It is unknown what that is. Apprentice Pate was asked by an unknown person to steal a key to a repository of books. He dies from poison after turning over the key to the unknown person. There are theories as to who this unknown person is, but they are just theories and don't belong here
  • Margaery Tyrell was placed under arrest by Cersei is finally released. Cersei couldn't find a way to get rid of her before her own arrest
  • Bran has begun his training with the Last Greenseer and CotF far north of the wall and his traveling companion Jojen has mysteriously disappeared inside the vastness of the weirwood tree
  • Euron is king of the Iron Islands (and the North in his eyes). He continues to wage war on the reach. He has despatched Victarion to Mereen to parlay with Dany
  • Arianne Martell is approaching storms end to treat with the arriving king from Essos who claims to be Aegon VI
  • Stories have made it down to the nights of watch from up north of entire wildling encampments disappearing. Hardhome, a major port for East watch expeditions, has been a point of disappearance of nights watch voyages. Tales of the others wandering the harbor have become increasingly prevalent
  • Mance is still alive. His child was swapped out for Sam's and Gilly's (who are in Oldtown). He is disguised as a bard.
  • Robert Strong is the undead king's guard re-animated from something by Qyburn (yes, I know, people have their theories but it isn't explicit in the books)
  • Robb Stark's widow, Jeyne Westerling, is still alive after the Red Wedding. She is forced back to the Westerlands and is disallowed to marry for 2 years so that there is no doubt that any child she has is NOT Robb's
  • Hodor is still Hodor. no big reveals yet
  • Loras Tyrell is alive (barely). He was severely injured attacking Dragonstone (although Stannis was already north)
  • Sandor is left for dead by Arya in SOS. Brienne, still looking for Sansa, comes across someone (Rorge) wearing the Hound's helmet and kills him in combat. It is possible that the Hound is dead. The helmet is passed to Lem Lemoncloak who is traveling with Thoros and the Brotherhood. They continue to serve Lady Stoneheart
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